Experiences with Cesium Chloride- good or bad

harry1984 · Regular Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

CC appears to be fairly legitimate. But after all there are a bunch of different cancer treatments. People respond to medicine differently. It may not work for everyone.

Ben D · Regular Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 11

Our Doberman with stage five lymphoma was declared in remission and no visible or tested signs of cancer three months after the start of chemo and concurrent cesium chloride/potassium treatment. We stopped the cesium (but continued on with potassium low dose) and continued the chemo protocol for another five weeks to the end ~ 24 weeks from diagnosis. She was declared cancer free. Three days after the last chemo treatment and exam, a lump appeared behind jaw. Phone call to doctor and he was sure it wasn't cancer (we started anti-biotic) but when he checked two weeks later and had biopsy done, it turned out it was cancer of unknown type. No signs of swollen/enlarged lymph nodes. The elapsed time from discovery of lump and lab results of biopsy was three weeks.
On the day we got the results, the lump had suddenly become severely enlarged (not just fluid) and become so painful that she couldn't open mouth wide to eat and only walked carefully with head down. Immediately after getting results, we put her on three doses a day of cesium/potassium - each of same amount that was given twice a day during the chemo - a 50% increase. Two days later, trotting around and could open mouth a enough to eat without demonstrated pain. Three days later, running and playing almost normally. A week later, totally normal behavior and the lump was almost back to pre-diagnosis size. No evidence of swollen lymph nodes. At ten days, better yet. Now measuring it with caliper for what that is worth, to try to quantify change.
We are going to augment the cesium/potassium with LDN (Low Dose Naltrexone) a prescription drug which has been shown to boost immune system and help treat cancer (and a variety of other diseases) and decrease tumor size. {link deleted by Admin} Virtually no side effects from the LDN.
We are extremely optimistic. We suspect that we may have created problems by our original stopping of the cesium/potassium during the chemo because we got optimistic. "Oh, she's in remission, we don't need it anymore". We should have followed normal protocol.

Dorian · New User Joined: 21 May 2008 Posts: 2

I would like to thank whoever started this particular discussion about Cesium. My 11 year old sheltie got diagnosed with Lymphoma all over his abdomen and live and I was on the fence with regards to what alternative treatment to use with him. I narrowed it down to two. I was hoping to find a site with people's/animal's experiences with Cesium but had a hard time finding one, and then last night I stumbled upon this forum. I am going to order it today and start him on it as soon as I get it. Thank you!

Floridagirl2 · Regular Joined: 19 Jun 2008 Posts: 16

that's very good news. I hope soon people and our doctors will be more open to alternative therapies given some of these things have been around for thousands of years.

Ben D · Regular Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 11

A status report on Lizzie - the Doberman with lymphoma. Until about four days ago, all was proceeding well except for a nasty diarrhea that started just over a week ago. Unrelated to that as far as we can see, I was informed that a doctor doing work with LDN advises dosages in excess of human dosing base on weight when treating dogs. Apparently a function of higher metabolism so we increased that (just after the diarrhea started).
Since adding the LDN to Lizzie's treatment, her tumor/lump when measured externally (for whatever validity that might have) has decreased in size by about 50%. All was very good until about three days ago when sudden total loss of appetite. Maybe partly the result of her being in heat. Onward to the feeding battle.

Ben D · Regular Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 11

Update on Lizzie - Doberman with Stage 5 lymphoma.
Our previous post told of problems that developed. Turns out that she had a very bad abscess caused by ??? Maybe infection after biopsy or unassimilated dead cancer cells that rotted or tumor causing restricted blood flow. Treated for the infection - abscess drained, drains put in and treated with strong antibiotics. Back on the road to recovery.
08/30
All is going really well. "She beat the odds" per vet. yesterday. "I'm optimistic" he says but that optimism is tempered by the fact that he has never seen a dog survive that lymphoma. But now comes Lizzie. For the last three months she has been on LDN - Low Dose Naltrexone and the shrinkage of the cancerous "lump" that appeared right after the chemo ended has been constant since the start of the LDN use. External measurement of LxWxD (inches) of the lump has gone from a high of 18.8 when we started the LDN to 1.9 as of today. We were also using a Cesium/Potassium protocol but have stopped and are now using just the LDN and see no need for that more aggressive and harsher treatment with the way things are improving. Interesting fact is that the doctor who did much of the initial work with LDN recommends a substantially higher dose for canine than would be used for a human of the same weight. What is undeniable is that "They" expected her to have died by now and what they see now is what looks to be a healthy dog with only slightly swollen lymph nodes that you have to hunt for and a lump that is daily getting smaller. Life is good.

Ben D · Regular Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 11

Lizzie's Progress:
As of vet visit this week, all that remains of cancerous lump is a little scar tissue. He says "In Remission". I'll say it more definitively, She is cured. He did read up on LDN and although maybe not the soapbox believer that I've become, he doesn't think that I'm just a nut with a wacky cure. Says, "Keep her on the LDN". I'll only post again if things change.
Life is great!

lepfan45 · New User Joined: 12 Oct 2008 Posts: 3 Location: Indiana

I'm so glad I found this discussion on cesium. I have a 10 year old Female Chow with lymphoma. we have done 1 round of Doxo chemo and we're in the middle of round 2 with Elspar but she isn't responding very well. I have done my research and have her on all sorts of alternative supps covering the bases: oxygenation, diet, immune and ph. But the cesium/ dmso looks promising.
have also read about a product called Gravizon ..anyone using it?

lepfan45 · New User Joined: 12 Oct 2008 Posts: 3 Location: Indiana

can anyone tell me how their dogs are doing so far on the ceium protocol? and how you got them past the upset tummy and runs it can give them..? Started Brandi on it only 3 days ago and her glands are a bit smaller but it does have the dreaded side affects.
thanks.L.

Ben D · Regular Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 11

[quote="lepfan45"]can anyone tell me how their dogs are doing so far on the ceium protocol? and how you got them past the upset tummy and runs it can give them..? Started Brandi on it only 3 days ago and her glands are a bit smaller but it does have the dreaded side affects.
thanks.L.[/quote]
We had so many things interacting that I'm not sure what caused what. Initailly while Lizzie was undergoing the chemo at oncologist and our concurrent Cesium/Potassium, the only real problem was loss of appetite at times which apparently often happens with the chemo.. We had to get really creative with getting her to eat. Then after the chemo ended and the new lump which turned out to be the Lymphoma again/still, she was just on the Cesium/Potassium BUT maybe from biopsy or maybe from tumor pressing on blood vessels or maybe from un-assimilated dead cancer cells she got a very bad abscess and more or less concurrently bad diarrhea and vomittiing. Back around then we had started her on the LDN (we have a log of the whole ordeal if specific times are needed). To make things easier on her, we were dividing the Cesium/Potassium treatment into small doses every hour or so. Ultimately as we were worried that maybe the Cesium was promoting the diarrhea, we stopped it and just continued on with the LDN. Still bad diarrhea. Somewhere along in there the vet. put her on Flagyl (metronidazole) which somewhat controlled the diarrhea so that the house wasn't getting sprayed uncontrollably but it was still there. Started giving her a probiotic "Fortiflorra" (from vet.) and within two weeeks, all under control.
What would I do if I had to start all over today? I'd use both the Cesium/Potassium treatement and the LDN and at the first sign of gastro problems, start Fortiflorra and discontinue the Cs/K at least for a while and just use the LDN as long as things were getting better. Per vet. you can keep a dog on Fortiflorra forever with no ill effects. As the only known side effect of LDN in humans is vivid dreams, I'm optimistically thinking the same applies to dogs so all you'll be doing with that is enhancing immune system -- and just maybe curing the Lymphoma. For me that "maybe" is not there. I'm a believer .
Good luck.

lepfan45 · New User Joined: 12 Oct 2008 Posts: 3 Location: Indiana

Thanks Ben, i have added some benificial bacteria and some antacid before the Cesium..seems to be helping. She is really fussy so I have to be creative in getting the food in her ( what kind os dog doesn't want to eat??) there are all sorts of appetitie stimulants for cats tho. On the LDN; I know it's better than the alternative but do you worry about side affects? And what kind of diet do you feed her? I have heard dairy is bad, carbs from lets say brown rice are bad but she needs carbs. have you ever tried to get a finicky dog to eat veggies? Not easy. Well she's not quitting so we're not!
thanks, Linda and Brandibear.

natania · New User Joined: 19 Oct 2008 Posts: 2

I wanted to see if anyone has visited the Gershon clinic. I met a real estate trainer who was healed of colon cancer who visited the clinic and swears by it.

Vee Smith · Moderator Joined: 12 Feb 2006 Posts: 789 Location: UK

GERSON Clinic.

It requires considerable commitment and being prepared to spend a great deal of time on preparation of food, but there are cases that have benefited (in the sense of surviving for longer than expected) from following the regime.

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