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Drug Development Costs about 1 Billion Dollars US per Drug? What is this ?

 
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kugs4ever
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:41 pm    Post subject: Drug Development Costs about 1 Billion Dollars US per Drug? Reply with quote

This was stated in an article in the Wall Street Journal by the
CEO of a drug company. I can't imagine where all this money goes. Is
this a bogus statement or has a drug company shown its cost accounting
for drug development? If it is true, there has to be something very
wrong with regulations...


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Including opportunity cost in the figures is b.s. How is that
defined? I assume they tack a 'revenue flow for a drug that is fast
tracked to market and made about $998,000,000 so the real spend on
development is around $2,000,000. Pharma is corrupt just like the US
government.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Drug Development Costs about 1 Billion Dollars US per Drug? Reply with quote

Well, this is what Wikipedia has to say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_development#Cost

I don't think anyone, including the pharmaceutical companies, is particularly happy about the costs, but when you look at the length of time it takes to investigate all aspects of a drug, develop it to the point of testing, run laboratory tests and then human tests, and assess the benefits [if any], plus the continuing research into uses and side-effects, it certainly cannot cost as little as $2 million.
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kugs4ever
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:09 am    Post subject: Re: Drug Development Costs about 1 Billion Dollars US per Drug? Reply with quote

[quote="Vee Smith"]Well, this is what Wikipedia has to say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_development#Cost

I don't think anyone, including the pharmaceutical companies, is particularly happy about the costs, but when you look at the length of time it takes to investigate all aspects of a drug, develop it to the point of testing, run laboratory tests and then human tests, and assess the benefits [if any], plus the continuing research into uses and side-effects, it certainly cannot cost as little as $2 million.[/quote]

Do you know what "opportunity cost" is? This is not a cost that business can deduct from gross margin to determine profit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_costs So to report this as part of actual costs is complete B.S. I still want to see a cost accounting for an example drug development but you won't find one because the Pharma figures are B.S. and used to justify high insurance payments.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Drug Development Costs about 1 Billion Dollars US per Drug? Reply with quote

I will jump in to this discussion Very Happy.

Since I do not have access to the Wall Street Journal, I am kind of talking in the dark. However, opportunity cost cannot be reported on a financial report. It is just a tool used by a company to make a decision about what direction to go with its assets. Say I own a company and have two options: Develop product A or B. Both will cost me the same amount to develop but I can make 2X from product A and X from product B. Then steps in big brother (government or my own sense of ethics) and tells my that B is of much more value to the world than A is. By making the choice to produce product B, I theoretically (just on paper) loose X dollars. That is "opportunity cost." I know that the pharmaceutical company that I worked for received government funding to offset this Opportunity Cost or it would have made the decision only to make what was most profitable to it. I think they had to make annual financial reports to the government but I do not know if those reports where public record or not (way above my pay grade). But those would not include Opportunity Cost except to justify continued funding of certain products.

Clear as mud, right? Laughing

Oh, and it does cost millions and millions for a pharmaceutical company to go from a idea to final product. I might sound like a hypercapitalist; I am not. I do look at CEO's and wounder how they can justify making so much money. But I can do the same with athletes, actors and actresses... if fact, anyone making billions of dollars. Oh well, enough politics for one day Wink.
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kugs4ever
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Drug Development Costs about 1 Billion Dollars US per Drug? Reply with quote

I am not arguing that it is not expensive to develop drugs (though a lot of the basic science is funded by taxpayers in Universities). But I am very familiar with cost accounting and have a hard time fathoming how it could cost $1B. Until I can see a cost accounting to justify this claim (yes, it is claim), I will think it is B.S. Not surprising considering our government is bought and sold. Oh, and the patent system is a joke.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Drug Development Costs about 1 Billion Dollars US per Drug? Reply with quote

Buy some shares in the companies and you will have access to their accounts.

In fact, if you are prepared to pay, the accounts of any public company are available.
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kugs4ever
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Drug Development Costs about 1 Billion Dollars US per Drug? Reply with quote

I doubt the financial statements will have a cost accounting of drug development. Exclamation
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Drug Development Costs about 1 Billion Dollars US per Drug? Reply with quote

If it is a publicly held company, there is a general financial statement sent out to all share holders but there is also a much more detailed financial statement sent out upon request by a shareholder. In addition, if they receive any government help, they have to give a detailed report to the government about their use of public funds. Those are 2 resources available to you (and to the Wall Street Journal Wink )
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